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San Jose finally took him, but much later, so either their hospitalist had to accept him after 5pm or they had to go by air after all. I dont' know. I'd washed my hands of the whole situation by then. Thanks for stopping by!

Ouch! So what happened to the patient when the San Jose hospital couldn't accept him in transfer? It would add insult to injury if you had to take him back!

Good post, though in my opinion Australians and others do the same thing. People of lower socioeconomic status can do the same though...my personal favourite are those who call an ambulance to take them to the emergency department to get more cough syrup. And the bill to the taxpayer keeps growing, essentially taking money away from more cost effective health measures, including the social determinants of health, in the next years budget.

Excellent and exasperating post. You may appreciate my own foray into VIP aggravation territory: http://www.revolutionhealth.com/blogs/valjonesmd/vip-syndrome---a-no-w-2857

All of this dispo planning that we docs do is such an inefficient use of our training and skill sets. Maybe we could simplify this process with IT? One can always dream...

I think money is one of those things that is so peculiar to a family and it's interactions that you really need to leave it alone.

Unless you grew up in that family you can't really know what the whole sub-text is.

I have been running Fidelity Investment's retirement calculator, and if the stock market doesn't behave itself for me I may be running out of funds as I hit those late 80s birthdays (I sure hope I live to see that!). According to the Wall Street Journal that's a common time for retirees to have a money crunch.

Asking you to do something fraudulent is wrong, wrong, wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves for pressuring you!


"I ask you, how does it reflect upon American culture today when obviously affluent families try to persuade doctors to defraud Medicare?"

This is more a reflection on human nature in general rather Americans specifically. The spectrum of selfishness ranges on a scale from 1-10 with perhaps Mother Teresa being a 1 and narcissistic sociopaths being a 10. I'd say most Americans are from a 4-8. We can't change human nature. What we CAN do (in theory at least) is change the system back to one where personal accountability helps motivate people into making the decisions that are best for society overall.

As for the above comment stating "My personal observation is that the more money someone has, the more he/she tends to haggle over costs.", I disagree totally. There are many with money who DON'T haggle and many without money who DO haggle.

I'll never forget during med school being on the MICU team taking care of a comatose elderly grandmother with end stage CA. The family (on public assistance) was adamant that "EVERYTHING BE DONE" to prolong her life each additional day, even thought they realized there was less than a 1% chance she would wake up before she passed. However, they later were under the impression that it would cost them out of pocket, something like $25 rather than having the government foot the entire daily bill. With that bit of information, they decided it was best for grandmother to pass away in peace.

Human nature. Great post, Theresa.

Hi PJ, Mack, and friendly Anonymous:

I see this is not an isolated phenomenon. I also see I shouldn't get so huffy about it, but I'm STILL mad at this family. I guess I'm small-minded.

I think the entire "rate your doctor/hospital" movement is going to make this type of situation worse, because small rural hospitals won't even register on the ratings, so--in the minds of affluent suburbanites--won't be "good enough."

Anonymous has an excellent point--I could have made the family arrange the whole thing. But they gave me all the phone numbers and I confronted the following problems: the PMD was out of town, the (semi retired) physician covering for him didn't know how things work when it comes to facilty-to-facility transfer and sent me on a wild goose chase, I couldn't get in touch with the physician covering for the PMD's hospital patients, and when I called the hospitalist in San Jose, she wasn't all that pleased to be taking a patient in transfer for a group of PMDs with whom the hospitalist group OBVIOUSLY has a tenuous relationship.

And then they insisted on ground transport.

I have to let this go.

they aren't going to like the results if they delay the surgery for too long, i imagine. i also work in a rural area. maybe i'm an a-hole, but when they tell me they want to transfer i have them call the primary and let them work out the details. i don't have time to know who to call in a city hundreds of miles away.

Great post. I can totally identify with your story. I'm an internist in rural Illinois and I occassionally get this type of patient (and family) visiting from Chicago. People want "cadillac care" without them having to pay for it.

Good grief.

My personal observation is that the more money someone has, the more he/she tends to haggle over costs.

When the daughter says they don't want to empty out Dad's little wallet, I bet the subtext is, "We want to inherit as much of Dad's money as possible." But maybe I'm just being cynical.

The sad thing is that for every family making these kinds of unreasonable demands, there's probably someone else who doesn't even have these options because they don't have the ability to pay.

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