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July 14, 2008

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I've gone back and read your 'trilogy in five parts' (as it were) and it's all very interesting to me. I'm a third-year peds resident who will be doing a chief year next year and then hopefully working as a pediatric hospitalist in the hospital I'm currently in. I've wanted to be a hospitalist since I was an intern, mostly because I can't see myself in private practice or in outpatient medicine and I don't want to do a fellowship (although, we now have a forensic peds fellowship, which could be interesting). But I digress. I've only started to think about all the administrativia that comes with an actual job. Although I'll be working in an urban area, a lot of what you are talking about applies to me. I'm glad I stumbled on your blog (what the hell took me so long?!) so I'm interested to see what happens.

Hi everybody,

Enrico, your feedback is always helpful. As for my preference for local organizations, I think it goes back to my woman-of-the-people philosophy, which has been pretty iffy so far at advancing my own interests.

Anonymous, HRUS does not make a retirement match. In Part 3, I spelled out the compensation packages. HRUS provides $25,000/year if a doc is full time (14 shifts/month) and this additional "bonus" compensation is supposed to be used for health insurance/retirement funding or whatever you want. You have to EARN it, however. None of the options match.

Cancerdoc, I think getting my dander up about the "slight" is silly after all. I know all these groups need WARM BODIES and whether those bodies are IMs or FPs matters not a whit if they can get the job done. In Rural, I am known as a really good hospitalist; my two IM colleagues at Feelgood say I'm the best in the group, which is overstating the case, but still. So I feel pretty confident that the FP thing would not be a barrier in any way. I just wish RK hadn't made that obnoxious backhanded compliment.

As for HRUS, they are bigger but not by much. They do have a reservoir of doctors outside the area who could fill in on locum basis.

Will update once things are a bit clearer.

I am very impressed with your writing abilities and your ability to analyze. You might consider medical management....some day :D

I don't know if you are looking for in-put, but like Enrico, the HRU sounds better...at least in the manner that you have presented it.

Local politics are local politics, and you already aware the of "slight" that seems to be built into the RK group yet alluded to the fact that they will expect you to provide (uncompensated) administrative duties. Also, you will be moving into yet another under-staffed group that might potentially fail. All of those seems like downers. Big downers. Granted, some slights will always be there. In my community there are some pre-existing slight directed at me. I will always have to deal with those, but I certainly wouldn't have joined a practice that treated me that way.

Not listed, but assumed is that the HRU is a much larger group. (How large?). I am assuming that if in a pinch, they can provide staffing from a larger pool and are less likely to cave.

Good luck with your decision.

i'll disagree with above poster. being a cog in the machine can affect your ability to deliver care. there are more rules to follow, more meetings to attend. i'm not saying it is the wrong thing, particularly if the money is a lot lot lot greater (do they have a retirement match)?

being in a large corporation however, does afford you the opportunity to learn at least one way to do things that seems to be working. i'm going to disagree that you need a degree to learn those things, you seem to be doing just fine learning by doing and observing on your own. you'll have more support in the either of the new structures. the potential drawback, of course, is that the lessons you learn you may have to apply elsewhere (noncompete?-i know you are in california but they sometimes have effective noncompetes under other names).
i wouldn't worry about whether they have a bias against primary care family med unless you think it is irrational and insurmountable. if you do good work, then they will be educated and can change their views.
good luck

My vote goes to HRUS. "I would much rather stay with a community-run operation than work for a big outside corporation." Why? Your real contribution to the community comes from your helping the patient population, not from the arbitrary altruism of whether the same-currency-value dollars are drawn from a local business or from an account in NYC. Your mark in the medical community will be the same no matter how you are employed behind the scenes in Rural, so don't sell yourself short.

You've already been "schooled" the hard way in business matters by dealing with what you've already written about--why would you want to continue down a path that is going to make you do more of the same on terms that aren't yours? In other words, fine if you want to leverage your hard-gained knowledge, but do it building your OWN service in the future, not constantly patching someone else's for questionable reimbursement. Like you were alluding, you aren't Mother Theresa. *wink* *nudge* LOL!

Seriously though, if a CHE or something is something you want to go for, seeing things w/a national agency and potentially leveraging their $$ for continuing ed. and moving up those ranks (just a possibility) affords more choices than more of the same. Unless you think that more local "trial by fire"-style learning administration on the job will net you more/faster knowledge...only you can answer that one.

So I guess in the end I didn't say anything helpful, but I typed it all, so I'll hit "Post" anyway. ;)

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