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This kind of practice model - by that I mean the whole hospitalist movement - is alien to me. Not just because I'm a radiologist, this thing doesn't exist in my part of the world. Almost every hospital in the small town that I practice in is similar to Gimbels, give or take a few beds, doctors & specialities.
I sympathize with your difficulties. You've learnt some expensive lessons.
I really like your take home points. I narrowly escaped being suckered into a job without a contract a while ago. I didn't take that job. I'm happy to say that not only did I insist on a contract, but I went with my gut feeling which was against that particular hospital's administrative practices.
I think you should highlight those take home points in a separate post. Very useful for all doctors in this corporate age.

This was a great post with lots of take-away learnings in it. I hope you land on your feet and take that new business knowledge into your next venture. You are so right about the need to make sure you have adequate staff (and the resources to go with that) when you are running a 24/7 operation. Gimbals lost out also by letting you flounder and it would have been in their best interest to make this a win-win. Good luck!

Hi Cancerdoc,

I agree with you 100% about the mismatch between the business education doctors SHOULD be getting and the business knowledge we end up having. Up here where I live, I'm considered a financial expert (ha!) but what I know has all been self-taught over the last three years.

I know these scenarios are playing themselves out all over the country, even though they seem uniquely painful to the doctors involved. Wherever there are hospitals, there is polticking.

Thanks for coming by.

Hi everyone,

Anonymous, I agree our accountant should be strung up. Any volunteers to tie a noose? Just kidding. The ER guy I'm not so sure, I really do believe he was acting with out best interests in mind but he's such a bright guy, a big ideas guy, that he lost touch with the little details. I blame ourselves for not doing better due diligence than him for not anticipating all the problems.

Also, I wasn't planning to leave the area for a new job--not yet--so I don't think this job change will be terribly expensive for me. Currently I save into a SEP IRA and I'm hoping to hit my target this year.

wow, i think that your accountant needs to be strung up. and possibly the er guy. does his group have a retirement fund? are you all set up individually as llc's receiving distributions from the group? sep-ira? dang.

i'd still argue that you lose a little when you change jobs by probably reducing your contributions to your retirement because of transfer associated expenses/loss of income, but certainly less than if you had a company matched 401k.

okay well, still best of luck to you.
thanks for sharing.

I know that there are politics in any medical institution, but knowing what goes on in Smalltown and reading of your experience, I am becoming convinced that the goal of the hospital administration is commonly NOT in line with the physicians and not necessarily geared towards the good of the patients.

A common thread: as physicians we spend a LOT of time learning about medicine but zero time about business. Medicine IS a business. Because of that, we are prone to being duped in both are professional finances AND our personal finances.

Good points from all.

Anonymous, none of my jobs make any retirement contribution, so I'm not losing out by changing jobs. My retirement is 100% self-funded.

Jonathan, I do have an emergency fund, thankfully, but that's a great reminder for everyone to put money aside for the unexpected.

Thanks for dropping by.

You make a strong argument for ruthless analysis before assuming risk.

Unfortunately, we physcians have a tendency to give concessions out a sense of personal responsibility. In your case, you started working before you had your contract finalized.

In addition to building the unexpected into a business plan, I'd suggest building the unexpected into a personal finance plan. If the business collapses, an emergency fund can float you while searching for that new "perfect" job.

Having grown up in rural calif. (in a couple of places) and having a friend who is a nurse in one rural calif hospital. I am laughing wondering if you work there ;)

I realize the possiblities are slim, because contrary to most peoples opinions ... california is not primarily LA and Sanfran ..but rural. ;o)

You wouldn't live near Superior Dairy would you? lol

thanks for sharing. i think you are being a little hard on yourself. yes there were potentially avoidable mistakes made. one might ask why a more senior physician was not involved with the administration than a junior physician. at least as an administrative mentor, if not a (group)financial mentor. honestly i think most of the hospitalist groups i encounter these days focus on metrics a little too much. i think that is due to their relative inexperience. i hear well the society (of hospital medicine) says i shouldn't work more than x days a month or i'll get tired and i shouldn't see more than x patients a day or i'll do a bad job. wrong wrong wrong. everyone is different, but don't think that all jobs have similar patients. if they open their eyes a little, all groups have staffing issues at times. when someone goes on vacation it is a huge problem for all small groups. it sounds to me like you tried to do more for your group than everyone else was willing to--administrate and take extra shifts etc etc. that is not something that can be sustained in the long run. to your credit, that is what needs to be done in the short run to make it possible for the group to expand. i think that once you get to 6 or 7 fte's your scheduling becomes a lot easier. 4 was probably unrealistic except for a really short term.
i don't know what to say about the finance part except that perhaps with recognition of your naivete in that area, an independent review prior to starting up would have been money well invested. even if you don't have local contacts, perhaps some colleagues in other areas would be willing to mentor?

lastly in regards to your (and rita's) personal finances, i wish you luck. i find that people switch jobs frequently without considering the effect on the retirement accounts. a few months off work adds up to a big hit in your savings. many places will not maximally match your retirement contributions for several years, or vest in proportion to time there (and of course the compound interest over 20-30 years). as physicians, we start out way late in contributions so we need to do our best to minimize job switches if at all possible. as an employee hospitalist, it is a little less critical, one might argue, but i still think it is really expensive to change jobs.

anyhoo, don't be too hard on yourself!
it sounds like you got a really expensive education!
good luck with your next job.

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