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November 11, 2008

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I am also a physician (pediatrician) and I read your blog today. My perspective is a bit different because I felt much as you do, until the birth of my second child last March. I was a great candidate for VBAC, 4 years between kids, previous kid breech, planned to refuse induction due to risks. I went into early labor at 11 or so, quickly was having contractions every 2 minutes at home, rushed to the hospital and probably ruptured in the waiting room. My son took 20 minutes to breath and had neonatal seizures. He had brain cooling and is doing very well, all things considered, but I still struggle with this issue. I strongly believe in patient choice and autonomy, but what no one wants to admit is that you are gambling with the life of your baby. Although there are risks to CS, to mom and baby, the most catastrophic risk to baby is that of rupture. And it can't be completely "CONTROLLED" as I, and some of your readers have thought. The maternal guilt involved after this kind of decision is almost unbearable and I think that should be made clear when discussing this issue. Just another point of view, changed by hard experience

I'm new to your blog, & found it interesting that the patient, presumably the one whom both the physician and nurses have taken vows to protect HER interest, are at the behest of random, possibly paranoid and at the least overly cautious hospital policy, and at the least, insurance changes.

Is the patient told this? Is the patient told that her REAL risk is small but VERY controllable?

As no one other than just a mother, I am completely dismayed. I enjoy medical blogs. The confounding variables in the cases presented (not the least of which are evidence-based treatment recommendations) are enlightening. In other words, I'm not surprised that midwives and doulas like your blog.

While, Theresa, I highly respect the years that you put into your education and I appreciate your philosophy, I trust physicians less and less the more I read their blogs. Please correct me, it seems that many are not much more than white-coated cogs in a hamster wheel of insurance companies, profit seeking hospitals, and Big Pharma.

It's a wheel I do not want to find myself in if I can help it.

I'm so glad to hear there are doctors who still allow women to birth naturally!

A few years ago I noticed a sign at my OBGYN's office: "Our doctors no longer perform VBAC."

It's ironic if you think about it... All those doctors are male. Do they really think they can perform BIRTH? But this is the crux of the problem, failing to understand that pregnant women are the ones who give birth.

I enjoy your blog so much and decided to comment since I had a VBAC with my second child. My first child was born by c/s after "arrest of descent" With my second I saw a family practice resident at a military hospital. I also hired a doula who had two years apprenticeship as a lay midwife under her belt. She had a doppler and I wanted her to monitor the baby at home until we went to the hospital. Well, my daughter came in a hurry and both my doctor and doula arrived at the hospital just in time to see her born. In fact, my husband and I arrived just in time for her to be born at the hospital :) You said in your post "...I thought she grasped the risk of another ToLAC. This risk doesn't decrease with successful VBACs, but the fact that she'd had a couple of successful births after her C-section made Veronica a pretty good repeat candidate." So I thought you might appreciate reading Labor outcomes with increasing number of prior vaginal births after cesarean delivery.Obstet Gynecol. 2008 Feb;111(2 Pt 1):285-91. These researchers concluded, "An increasing number of prior VBACs is associated with a greater probability of VBAC success, as well as a lower risk of uterine rupture and perinatal complications in the current pregnancy." Keep up the great work and wonderful blog!

Thank you and thanks to your commenters for the positive VBAC stories. Everyone knows that VBAC is risky, but so are a lot of things in life- driving, eating oysters, etc, and we do these things without much consternation every day! I'm glad to hear there are doctors who actually encourage vaginal birth. Maybe if there were more like you out there the primary Cesarean rate, and therefore the refusal-to-allow-VBAC rate, could be reduced!

My hospital has gone to a no VBAC policy as well. Actually, we technically still do them as long as anesthesia, the surgery team, and a surgeon are willing to stand around in house, which they pretty much never are willing. Prior to the rule chage I did a lot of VBACs as the only provider in the community who was willing (a couple other providers could have their arms twisted into it, but were always unhappy about it and quick to jump to repeat.)
The last VBAC I did was one of my favorites. This client switched to me with her 2nd pregnancy, hoping for a VBAC, after having a cesarean for failure to descend while pushing with her first. The rules had changed just the week before she came for her 1st OB visit, and after I explained everything, she did not want to transfer out to another doctor in another hospital so planned to stay with me for regular care and have a repeat with my OB back up. The morning of her scheduled repeat, she arrived 2 hours early complaining of contractions. The nurse checked her and called me saying she was 4 cms. I came in immediately to have a big discussion with her about what she wanted to do. At this point she was hurting, and scared, and said she thought she'd just have a repeat anyway. I checked her again, and she was already 7 cms! I called my OB backup and he said he was on his way. We moved to the OR. When he arrived (we hadn't prepped yet or anything) he took one look at her laboring hard on the stupid little OR table, and said "Oh, just break her water and let her push." I asked the client if she was willing and she said "whatever!" Another quick check found her with just an anterior lip. With the nurse's help, somehow we managed to help her onto her side, since the little narrow table was so uncomfortable for lying on her back, and in less than 30 minutes, she VBAC'd her little boy, with one foot on my shoulder, and both hands with a death grip on my nurse's scrub top. Surprisingly, this baby was bigger than the one who had failed to descend, and she managed to push him out despite the uncomfortable table, bright lights, a whole surgical team standing around not knowing what to do with themselves, and an anesthesiologist sitting at her head watching the cardiac monitor he somehow managed to get on her. We don't have fetal monitor in the OR, so another nurse held a doppler on the whole time. The baby ended up being born about half an hour prior to her scheduled repeat cesarean!
That, is one of my favorite VBACs!

Lovely story! Butter birth!

We can attend VBACs in hospital, and have terrific outcomes. But 6 1/2 years ago we could attend non-primary VBAC labors in our birth center, until the rules changed. Imagine how telling an Amish woman that the c/section she had 14 years and 9 children ago now meant a hospital birth. What did they do? Obviously, transfer to a lay midwife who has a pretty much no transfer until dead policy, or call us too late.

THIS is what the establishment forces women into, instead of respecting their right to informed choice. GROWL!!!!!!!

Keep up the VBAC fight doc!

Thank you for posting this great story! I think the important thing is that mom is given the information and then she can make the choice. To force a mom into a repeat cesarean is so wrong to me.

Thank you, Prachi. I do have other VBAC stories of all shades and will write them up soon. Unfortunately, no one can really advise you about your VBAC risk other than your own doctor or midwife, assuming they have experience with VBAC themselves. You can seek out more than one opinion to help you decide.

Lovely!, so do you have anything about VBAC gone wrong.

I am obsessed with reading birth stories after my horrible c section. I wish someone could really tell me if I am a great VBAC candidate

The hospital that I had babies 1, 4, and 5 at went to a "once a cesarean, always a cesarean" policy between babies 4 and 5, even for VBAC#4. OB told me the only way anyone had avoided a C was because they showed up ready to push. Going to another hospital wasn't an option, so that's what I did.

What a great story!

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